Aug 12 – Jul 13
Thursday 25th July 2013 Bryn Cader Faner. Dafydd Williams led a party of 26 ramblers from Llyn Tecwyn Isaf on a cooler but dry day. They climbed up the lane to Nant Pasgan Bach. They then headed up and over the Bwlch before making their way to Bryn Cader Faner, the remarkable 4000 year old Bronze Age stone circle sometimes called The Crown of Thorns. From here they returned along the Ardudwy Way to the start of the walk. Ian Spencer.
Sunday 21st July 2013. Aberdaron to Porth Oer Circular. Roy Milnes led a party of 10 walkers on a circular walk from Aberdaron on a delightful sunny day with a gentle cooling breeze from Aberdaron. They made use of the All Wales Coastal Path, as well as the other local paths, on this 11 mile walk via Porth Oer [whistling sands] They arrived back in Aberdaron at 6pm. David and Elizabeth Williams led a small party of 6 members on a shorter walk from Aberdaron starting at the same time but finishing at 3.25pm in good time for ice creams. They returned along the high cliffs guarding Bardsey Sound. This was proved to be a most enjoyable pleasant relaxed walk very ably led. Ian Spencer.
Thursday July 11th 2013. Trefriw Llyn Geirionydd. A small, but select group enjoyed a delightful walk from Trefriw, led by Maureen Evans, through lovely countryside up to Llyn Geirionydd. High temperatures on a sunny day were tempered by the shade of pleasant woodlands. Noel Davey.
Sunday July 7th 2013. Bethesda-Carnedd Dafydd-Yr Elen. A party of 10 walkers, led by Noel, undertook a strenuous 13 mile circular trek from Bethesda into the Carneddau. The route took us up Cwm Caseg, then by a long and steep ascent to Foel Ganol and Yr Elen, and onto the ridge connecting Carnedd Llewelyn and Carnedd Dafydd, the second and third highest main peaks in England and Wales. From there the descent was made to Cwm Llafar. While it was a warm day, cloud over the peaks took the edge of the heat, though limited the views. The party got back to Bethesda about 7pm in varying states of exhaustion, but with a sense of achievement. Noel Davey.
Thursday 27th June 2013. Nant Gwrtheyrn/Pistyll. Ian Spencer led 22 members from Mount Pleasant Car Park down to Nant Gwrtheyrn where they had coffee before following The Coastal Path climbinging up the cliff. From the top they made their way along a newly opened section of the path passing the site of The Medieval Leper Colony near the charming Pistyll Church. From the Pistyll walked back to Mount Pleasant using the old route. Sadly what was a very interesting walk was spoilt by yet another wet day. Ian Spencer. (Readers might be interested to read that Ian now holds the club's distance record for back-marking on a single walk. 91.6 miles on Offa's Dyke June 2013- Editor)
Sunday June 23rd 2013. Rhinogydd circular. Dafydd Williams (Offa's Dyke veteran - Ed) led 9 ramblers, on a very wet and windy day, on a circular walk in the Rhinogydd Mountains. They started beside Trawsfynydd Reservoir and climbed up and over the Bwlch and down into Cwm Moch before making their way up to the wonderful Bryn Cader Faner, an ancient Bronze age burial site often described as "The Crown of Thorns" From here they made their way up to Llyn Dywarchen and then along the excellent old miners track to Llyn Du. They then made a steep descent and crossed the very boggy ground back to their cars. The party was very well led in dreadful conditions. Ian Spencer.
Thursday 13th June 2013. Llyn Gwernan. Nick White led 7 members on a lovely 5 mile walk from Dolgellau up to Llyn Gwernan via delightful woodland and meadow paths below Cader Idris. It was a damp and cloudy day with rain at the start, but increasingly bright later. The party fortified themselves with coffee beforehand and tea after at the remarkable T.H. Roberts café in Parliament House, Dolgellau. Noel Davey.
Sunday 9th June 2013. Dolwyddelan, Pont y Pant, Sarn Helen. Nick White led a group of 6 ramblers on an excellent 7.5 mile walk from Dolwyddelan along part of Sarn Helen to Pont y Pant, returning via pleasant wooded paths alongside the Afon Lledr. It was a warm and sunny day tempered by a pleasant breeze. Thirsts were gratefully quenched en route at the Plas Hall Hotel. Noel Davey.
Thursday 30th May 2013. Nanhoron Pwllheli. On a bright sunny day Miriam Heald led 27 members on a pleasant 6.7 mile walk from Plas Nanhoron up to Garn Bach mainly via lanes, there being few accessible paths left in this area. The highlight of the day was a visit to the magnificent Plas gardens where bluebells, azaleas, and spring flowers in the walled gardens looked stunning. Bettina Harden then invited us into the main house for a grand tea and regaled us with the family history. Noel Davey.
Sunday 26th May 2013.Nant Peris, Glyders-Foel Goch. On a fine and sunny Bank Holiday Hugh Evans skilfully led a party of 4 hardy walkers on a great 10 mile trek across the Glyders. We took the Sherpa bus from Nant Peris to Pen y Gwryd and ascended via the Miners’ Track, somehow missing the Cantilever en route via Glyder Fach and Glyder Fawr. Good visibility afforded fine views in all directions. The walk went on to Y Garn and Foel Goch, finally descending via Cwm Dudodyn to Nant Peris, where well-deserved relief was sought at a local hostelry after a memorable and energetic day. Noel Davey.
Thursday 23rd May 2013. Spring Reunion Luncheon Nant Gwrtheyrn. 44 members enjoyed an excellent spring reunion lunch which was held for the second year at Nant Gwrtheyrn. Diners were entertained by a selection of photos from the Club holidays and recent walks organised by Nick, while ?? won the prize in a raffle organised by Dafydd. Noel Davey.
Thursday 16th May 2013. Coed y Brenin. Nick and Ann White led 26 members on an enjoyable 4 mile walk in Coed y Brenin on a fine day. All then proceeded to Nick and Ann’s house in Bontddu for an excellent tea in celebration of Ann’s 70th. Noel Davey.
Sunday 12th May 2013. Anglesey Coastal Path Cemaes to Bull Bay & Llugwy. 16 members joined two linear walks east from Cemaes Bay, completing one of the last remaining sections of the Anglesey Coastal Path not yet walked by the Club. Kathleen Marsden ably led the more difficult section of 6 miles to Bull Bay. Despite the damp and cloudy weather, the coastal scenery looked magnificent. Noel Davey led 7 ramblers a further 4 miles via Amlwch to Llaneilian in drier conditions. Highlights of the walk included Eglwys San Badrig, dolphins, the most northerly point of Wales, and the picturesque remains of the old porcelain factory and brickworks. Noel Davey.
Thursday 2nd May 2013. The Original Two Lakes and the Coastal Path. 32 walkers enjoyed a delightful walk on a glorious warm sunny day. The walk led by Dafydd Henry started from Merthyr Farm and made the short walk to Moel Goedog which some of the party climbed and then rejoined the rest below the mountain to the East. From here they continued on the good track around Moel Goedog to where it joins the Ardudwy Way which was then followed to a suitable picnic lunch spot. The views of the principal Snowdonia mountains, the whole of the Llyn Peninsular including Bardsey,the Rhinogedd range and faintly in the far distance Pembokeshire and a mill pond like sea were quite fantastic. This was a quite delightful walk. Ian Spencer. Sunday 28th April 2013. Carneddau, Bera Bach, Bera Mawr. Pam Foster and Diane Doughty valiantly led another attempt on the now infamous walk from Bethesda up to the Berasin the Carneddau in the usual poor weather. The party of seven got to the topof Drosgl and just below Bera Bach, but then increasingly wet,windy, cold and misty conditions forced a rapid descent. Despite this some managed to enjoy the vigorous walk. Ian Spencer.
Friday 19th April 2013. Dartmoor. The Club set off for their annual week's holiday this year taken at HF Holidays Country House at Haytor in Devon. Ian Spencer.
Thursday 18th April 2013. Penrhyndeudraeth. Kath Spencer led a really lovely walk from the lay byes just North West of Penrhyndeudraeth. They set off in a Southerly direction before recrossing the road climbing up to the top of Penrhyndeudraeth and then taking the track past Rhiw Goch to the small village of Rhyd. From here they made their way back through the Coed Llyn y Garnedd passing the small reservoir Hafod-y-Llyn. Ian Spencer.
Sunday 14th April 2013. Garndolbenmaen. 14 Stalwarts assembled at Garndolbenmaen for two walks to be led by Tecwyn Williams and the second by Nick and Ann White. The weather was dreadful with very heavy rain so it was decided to combine the walks and do the shorter one. However it soon became obvious that all were so wet that they would abandon the walks and return to their cars. Ian Spencer.
Thursday 4th April 2013. Llyn Cwm Ystradllyn. Alan Edwards and Beryl Davies led an excellent walk of 5.5 miles around Llyn Cwmystradllyn on a pleasant sunny day with good views. The relics of the slate quarrying were of great interest, including the majestic slate mill, fine masonry walls at the the Gorseddau Quarry and the large quarry workers’ village above the lake. Noel Davey.
Sunday 31st March 2013. Yr Aran & Beddgelert Forest. On a bright and sunny Easter Sunday Noel Davey took a party of 6 determined walkers on a low level walk of 8 miles from Rhyd Ddu up through the Beddgelert Forest via Bwlch-y-Ddwy-elor. This was an alternative to the original plan to climb Yr Aran which was prevented by lethal icy conditions. Even so, the walk went above the snowline and the views of the glistening ice sheets on the peaks of Snowdonia all around were stunning. Noel Davey.
Thursday 21st March 2013. Coastal Path Porth Neigwl to Machroes Linear. Leaders: Paul Jenkins and Gosia Israelowiz. No details.
Sunday 17th March 2013. Dysynni & Coastal Path. Judith Thomas did an excellent job leading a party of 16 on an interesting walk of about 9 miles in territory new to the club from Tonfanau through lovely countryside above the lower Dysynni Valley, taking in part of the Coastal Path. The weather was pleasant and we had good views, including sight of the fine new footbridge over the Dysynni. Many thanks to Alan and Mal for helping us with their local knowledge on this walk. Noel Davey.
Thursday 7th March 2013. AGM & Walk. Llyn Ramblers held their A.G.M. in the Capel y Traeth Criccieth which was attended by 25 members. The Chairman, Secretary and Treasurer were all re-elected as was the committee. After the meeting Dafydd Williams led 15 members on a walk through the Golf Course down to Pont Rhyd y Benllig. From here they made their way along the the banks of the Afon Dwyfor where the snowdrops were still giving a magnificent display. The party finally returned to Criccieth by way of the Coastal Path. Despite some wet weather the walk was enjoyed by all. Ian Spencer.
Sunday 3rd March 2013. Llynau Crafnant, Glangors & Geirionydd. On a lovely sunny day Ian Spencer led 17 ramblers from Trefriw on a walk around three lakes. They made their way on a pleasant, and very well waymarked route, to Llyn Geirionydd around the edge of Grinllwm. They then climbed up to the smaller Llyn Glangors where a picnic lunch was had. From here they made their way down to the head of Llyn Geirionydd before climbing up the forest track and down to Llyn Crafnant and ultimately back to Trefriw. Ian Spencer.
Thursday 21st February 2013 Llyn Gwynant. Kath Spencer was again "ably" (Ed) leading the walk on another sunny day. This time from The Bethania Car Park opposite the Watkin Path. The 22 strong party walked along the Afon Glaslyn and then along, but above Llyn Gwynant through woodlands and round the lake before heading up the track which led through rhododendrons and a conifer forest. Leaving the forest the walkers then had wonderful views of a snow capped Snowdon. The track led to a tarmaced road which they followed down hill to the start. Ian Spencer.
Sunday 13th February 2013. Newborough Warren. Kath Spencer, standing in for her sick husband, Impeccably led 15 ramblers in perfect weather from Newborough to Llandwyn Island. In view of the waterlogged state of much of the forest they followed the Coastal Path along the beach. The highlight of this very pleasant walk was undoubtedly Llandwyn Isle. The party met several other walkers also enjoying the sunshine. Ian Spencer.
Thursday 7th February 2013. Llaniestyn Circular. Miriam Heald gamely led 20 members in damp and muddy conditions on a circuit of about 6 miles in the pleasant, tranquil countryside around Llaniestyn, taking in the lower slopes of Garn Fadryn and the Nant Fawr.
Winter Dinner.On the same evening 53 club members enjoyed the Winter Dinner at Porthmadog Golf Club, followed by an interesting talk from John Dobson Jones of the local Ambulance Service and Aberglaslyn Mountain Rescue Team. A club donation of £185 was presented to support mountain rescue efforts. Noel Davey.
Sunday 3rd February 2013. Cwm-mynach. Nick White led 10 ramblers on an excellent 9 mile walk from Bontddu up through the hidden valley of Cwm Mynach. This rare stretch of ‘Celtic Rainforest’, now managed by the Woodland Trust, was characteristically misty and damp, but the mosses and lichens draping the native oaks and the remnants of the gold mines were a constant source of fascination. Noel Davey.
Thursday 24th January 2013. Edern to Porth Ysgaden. Megan Mentzoni shepherded 22 ramblers on a superb coastal walk of 5-6 miles from Edern to Porth Ysgaden. Extreme mud posed a challenge, but the views on this fine, clear and cold sunny day were amazing, not forgetting the sight of basking seals on one of the beaches. Noel Davey.
Monday 21st January 2013. Phyl Miller, one of our earlier members, died aged 97 in Ysbyty Gwynedd. She lived in Cae Eithin , Minffordd but has been in the home at Hafod y Gest for some time. The older members like myself will remember her as she always led walks in the Portmeirion area. The funeral is at Bangor crematorium on 9th February at 10.30 a.m. (John Enser. Secretary).
Sunday 20th January 2013. Llanbedrog to Nefyn. 15 members had a great walk, impeccably led by Judith Thomas, crossing the peninsula from Llanbedrog to Nefyn on a dry and sometimes bright day. The route of 8 miles over reasonably easy terrain led inland through a magical snowy landscape, via Rhydyclafdy, skirting Cors Geirch and Garn Boduan. Noel Davey.
Thursday 17th January 2013. Glenys Davies, one of our stalwart and long standing member, passed away suddenly today. All the members thoughts are with Arwel at this sad time. (John Enser. Secretary)
Thursday 10th January 2013. Cylchdaith Mynydd Nefyn/Pistyll Circular. Maureen Evans led 23 ramblers on a lovely walk from Nefyn on a fine day! They climbed steadily out of the village to Mynydd Nefyn and then descended to the South East before heading to Pistyll and back to Nefyn by way of a very muddy Coastal Path. The timing by the most able leader was perfect as the rain started as the walk finished. Ian Spencer.
Sunday 6th January 2013. Snowdon. Noel Davey,the club chairman, led 10 members up Snowdon on a partially wet day. They climbed up the Rhyd Ddu Path and saw several other walkers on their ascent. Having spent some time at the summit from which there were sadly no views the descended via the Snowdon Ranger's Path. They in fact saw no one on the way down but returned to the cars well satisfied with their climb. Ian Spencer.
The club celebrated Christmas with two excellent walks, both on reasonably fine and sunny days: Thursday, 27th December 2012. Walk between 2 beaches Porth Fawr and Porth Ceiriad. Mary Evans and Rhian Roberts did a fine job, leading a party of 27 on a walk between two beaches, taking in the magnificent new cliff-top section of the All-Wales Coastal Path between Porth Fawr, Abersoch and Porth Ceiriad. Afterwards, John and Rein Ensor hosted a delicious tea which raised about £120 for Aberglaslyn Mountain Rescue. Noel Davey.
Sunday 23rd December 2012. Moel y Gest. Tecwyn Williams led a small, but select group up Moel y Gest, visiting the intriguing stone age portal dolmen of Cist Cerrig on the way down, before returning via Borth y Gest. Noel Davey.
Thursday 13th December 2012. Boduan Circular. Ian Spencer led the walk on a cold but sunny day from Boduan Church up towards Mynydd Nefyn and then the North coast of the peninsular where they had lovely views of Nefyn and Porthdinllaen. The 20 ramblers on the walk enjoyed mince pies with their coffee break supplied by Kath the leader's wife. Ian Spencer.
Sunday 9th December 2012. Dyffryn Ardudwy & Pont Scethin. Catrin Williams led 10 members on a circular walk from Dyffryn Ardudwy to Pont Scethin Although it was at times very wet underfoot the day remained reasonably dry. This proved to be a well led enjoyable walk and was followed by mince pies and refreshments taken at the local cafe. Ian Spencer.
Thursday 29th November 2012. Cwm Pennant. Kath Spencer very ably led a party of 14 from Dolbenmaen up the delectable Cwm Pennant. They climbed up above the new deciduous tree plantationand followed the track to the deserted and very remote Cae Amos house. From here they passed the derilict Llwyn y Bettws and made their way down to the valley bottom bt Bryn Wern. The Dwyfor was crossed on a wooden foot bridge and passing the Outdoor Pursuits Centre at Brinkir the party returned to Dolbenmaen a a lovely sunny day. Ian Spencer.
Sunday 25th November 2012. Pen yr Helgi-Di & Pen Llithrig y Wrach. Ian Spencer very ably led 10 members on a walk from Gwern Gof Isaf Farm up the ridge to the summit of Pen y Helgi Du. On a beautiful clear sunny day the views were qite wonderful, in particular the snow covered top of Carnedd Llewlyn. From this summit they descended to Bwlch y Tri Marchog before making the steep ascent of Pen Llithrig y Wrach. It was decided not to take the precipitous path down the South East face after all the recent rain but to go down the grassy South West flank to the leat which they then followed to the metalled road down to their cars. No sooner were they back than the rain started. Ian Spencer.
Thursday 15th November 2012. Two Lakes & The Coastal Path. Ian Spencer, deputising, ably led the walk on a beautiful day from Talsarnau. There were 22 members who much enjoyed the day, starting out along the Wales Coastal Path to Llandecwyn and then climbing up to the old Church high above the Afon Dwyryd Estuary. On a very clear day the views of Porthmadog, Portmeirion and Snowdonia were magnificent. Ian Spencer.
Sunday 11th November 2012. Cwm Prysor, Bwlch y Bi, Viaduct. Tecwyn Williams very ably led a party of 14 walkers up Cwm Prysor. They climbed up the track to the hills including Bwlch y Bi on the South side of the valley. The ground, after this very wet year was muddy and boggy, particularly as they, benefiting from the open access land, managed to avoid paths or tracks. The Ramblers eventually crossed over the main road and returned along the old railway track including crossing the spectacular Viaduct. The weather mirroring the walk remained fine all day. Ian Spencer.
Thursday 1st November 2012. Mynytho/Llanbedrog Circular. Kath Marsden very ably led 19 walkers on a splendid walk from Mynytho and eventually up the new path to the "Iron Man" passing the new amphitheatre. The weather for once remained sunny with magnificent views of The Snowdonia mountains as well as the Rhinogedd Range and the Llyn Peninsular. Ian Spencer.
Sunday 28th October 2012. Moel Penamnen. Hugh Evans led 9 members from Blaenau Ffestiniog via Llyn Bowydd up Foel Fras and onto a very windy Moel Penamnen. They returned to Blaenau via the Llynnau Barlwydd reservoirs and then descended the very wet slate path. They all managed to return unscathed, triumphant, but rather damp! Ian Spencer. (Modesty prevents me from putting in the missing word in the first sentence. Because of the weather conditions, members of the group had been given a chance, at Llyn Bowydd, to cut the walk short by 4 miles. Naturally they were having none of it. Not even when one of their number lost concentration, while comparing the physical characteristics of quicksand and waterlogged peat, and had to be rescued. Editor).
Thursday 18th October 2012. Around Llandecwyn. Alan Edwards and Beryl Davies ably led a popular ramble of about 5 miles from Llandecwyn, taking in Llyn Tecwyn Isaf which proved a bit of a scramble because of the unusually high water level. Again, the sun shone and the 31 walkers had a great time. Noel Davey
Sunday 14th October 2012. Moel Siabod. A group of 11 walkers climbed Moel Siabod, ably led by Noel Davey. The route taken was from Pont Cyfyng via Llyn y Foel and up the west ridge, returning along the Afon Llugwy. Initial showers soon gave way to bright, sunny weather, which contributed to an excellent day, rounded off by tea at the local cafe. Noel Davey. (The word 'ably' was added by the editor as the author, Noel, was far too modest to put it in himself!)
Thursday 4th October 2012. “Quietest Spot on Llyn”. Miriam Heald and Pat Housecroft led a party of 23 ramblers on a delightful 7 mile walk from Garn Fadryn village up onto Moel Caerau, with lunch taken in the ‘quietest spot in Llyn’, close to the former church of Llanfihangel, returning over the open access land of Garn Bach. Bright, sunny conditions afforded superb views in all directions over the peninsula and extending to Caergybi. Noel Davey
Sunday 30th September 2012. Fron, Moel Tryfan, Mynydd Cilgwyn. Pam Foster and Diane Doughty led an 8.5 mile walk in damp, misty and progressively wet weather from Nantlle village. The route went up to Y Fron, around Moel Tryfan and Mynydd Cilgwyn, missing out the tops on this occasion, and returning through the quarries. Despite the grim and gloomy conditions, it was a good, strenuous walk which all enjoyed. Noel Davey.
Thursday 20th September 2012. Aber Falls. Tecwyn valiantly stepped in to lead Dafydd’s walk from Abergwyngregyn. A party of 15 walked up the valley to the magnificent Aber Falls, from there skirting west and north along the lower slopes of Moel Wnion with fine views up to the Carneddau and across the Menai to Anglesey. An excellent day was rounded off with tea at the community café. Noel Davey.
Sunday 16th September 2012. Craig y Llyn a Braich Ddu. The atrocious weather forecast prompted postponement of the scheduled A walk up Tyrrau Mawr. This proved the right decision as light showers gave way to prolonged heavy rain and mist persisting to low levels. Nevertheless, Nick White kindly led a combined group of 10 determined walkers on the originally programmed C walk from Llynnau Cregennan. This was a 5.5 mile lower level circuit, featuring a delightful mix of heather moorland, mossy woodland and rushing streams, with a stop at Gwynfor Evans’ grave in a secluded cemetery beside a ruined chapel. The party returned refreshed, though rather damp. Noel Davey.
Thursday 6th September 2012. Rivals Circular. Catrin Williams and Judith Thomas did a sterling job, on a mostly fine and sunny day, in leading 31 members on a pleasant 6 mile ramble from Mount Pleasant in an anti-clockwise direction around the lower slopes of Tre’r Ceiri. The route afforded remarkable views out across Eifionydd and up the coast towards Arfon. Some found the path back up the Bwlch yr Eifl quite a steep haul, but it was good to see the electricity transmission lines across this fine stretch of landscape have all now disappeared underground. Noel Davey.
Sunday 2nd September 2012. Cwm Bychan. Dafydd Williams led a party of 9 on a first class walk of 8.5 miles from Cwm Bychan up the Roman Steps, then by a newly upgraded forest path onto the bogs of Crawcwellt and back along the foot of Clip. Early damp and mist soon gave way to bright sunshine, opening up superb views of the heather and rocks of the Rhinogydd. Despite the persistently wet conditions underfoot, which made the going slow, all enjoyed the walk. Noel Davey
Thursday 23rd August 2012. Mynytho To Nanhoron & Garn Bach. 26 walkers had a most enjoyable and interesting day led by Miriam Heald from Mynytho. They started by passing the magnificent purple heather covering Mynytho Common. It had never looked better. The walk led them through some of the lesser known parts of the Peninsular to the Nanhoron Estate where the leader had arranged for the party to have a fascinating and most informative tour of the impresive gardens by the owner Mrs. Harden. Afterwards they walked back to their cars in Myntho. Ian Spencer.
Sunday 19th August 2012. Mynydd Mawr. A party of 10 members was very ably led by Noel Davey, from Rhyd Ddu through Beddgelert Forest and up to the summit of Mynydd Mawr. From here they headed North West around Craig Cwmbychan before turning South and making the steep descent into the Nantle Valley. The ramblers then followed the road for a short distance before climbing up round the back of Clogwynygarreg and then down and back to Rhyd Ddu. This proved to be a strenuous , but enjoyable walk undertaken in wet and misty conditions. Ian Spencer.
Thursday 9th August 2012 Llanrwst Footpaths. Meirion Owen led a party, on a fine day, on the popular walk from Llanrwst making use of the delightful National Trust cafe by the old bridge over the River Conwy. Ian Spencer.
Sunday 5th August 2012. Carnedd y Filiast, Elidir Fawr. Tecwyn led 10 members on a walk from Talywaen near Dinorwig. They first of all made their way up Carnedd y Filiast and then on to Mynydd Perfedd before they climbed to the summit of Elidir Fawr. From here the next top they reached was Elidir Fach; during all this time the rain did not cease. However the descent was now made down the track to the start. The party were noticably wet but pleased they had completed a strenuous walk. Ian Spencer.